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KIT SNOW (MUSLM) VS. RENZ PEJANA (CHRISTIAN) DEBATE

Renz Pejana:  I challenge every Muslim to defend this contradictions. Failure to explain these, means Qur’an is fake and invented by Muhammad;

CONTRADICTIONS IN QUR’AN

  1. According to [Qur’an 11:42-43], a son of Noah is drowned in the flood, But according to [21:76] all sons of Noah are saved from the flood. Which of statements is true?
  2. In [Qur’an 5:90], wine is prohibited on Earth because it is the handwork of Satan, But ironically in [47:15 & 83:22-25], rivers of wine is the prize for the righteous. So it means there will be numerous drunkards in Heaven?
  3. [Qur’an 3:59] says, Jesus is created by Allah from dust, so He is an ordinary human; But in [66:12, 19:17, & 3:45] Jesus is formed by Allah through breathing his Spirit or Word into the body of virgin Mary. Analyzing these verses, Jesus is not an ordinary human because he has no human father, in fact he is the Spirit or Word of Allah; But behold in [43:61 & 4:159] Jesus becomes a Deity for He is the knowledge of Resurrection or Judgment Day. Who is Jesus really in Qur’an, an ordinary human, Son or Spirit from Allah, or God?
  4. [Qur’an 66:12, 19:17, & 3:45] tells us that Jesus is originated from the spirit or Word of Allah; But in [5:17] says that following Christ is a blasphemy, and Allah will destroy Christ. So it means Allah will destroy his own Spirit or Word?
  5. [Qur’an 2:62] says, those who believe in Qur’an, and follow Jewish Scriptures, and Christians will have rewards from their Lord; But in [5:17] says that following Christ is a blasphemy, and Allah will destroy Christ.
  6. [Qur’an 5:5] it is lawful to marry a chaste woman among the people of the Book (take note that Muslims view Christians as non-believers), But in [2:221] says, do not marry unbelieving woman. Which of these regulations is true?
  7. [Qur’an 2:256] says, “let there be no compulsion in religion”, But [2:191 & 9:5] commands Muslims to slay the disbelievers”. Which of these commandments is true?
  8. [Qur’an 55:14] says man is created from a ringing clay; But [15:26 &28] tells, man is created from a sounding clay and black mud; But worse [20:55] says, man is made from earth or soil; But even worse [25:54] says, man is created from water; But worst [16:4 & 80:19] says, man is created from a sperm-drop; But even worst [96:2] states that man is created from a clot of blood; But even so worst [19:9, 19:67, & 52:35] state that, man is created from nothing. Which of these seven contradicting verses is true?
  9. In [Qur’an 3:39], John is a confirmer of the word of Allah, but in [5:46 & 61:6] Jesus is the confirmer of the Word of Allah. Which of the two is the truth?
  10. [Qur’an 4:153] Allah forgave Moses and his people for worshiping golden calf, But in [4:48 & 4:116] Allah does not forgive those who worship gods other than him. Which of the two is true?

Kit Snow :

Renz Pejana, Your understanding of context throughout these verses is lacking. You must consider verses pertaining to wartime for example, when you are permitted to slay an enemy etc. The verse of Noah, his family was saved from the flood, it does not say all of his sons were saved, the translation states family. I have reread everything you stated and I dont see a solid argument, all of the verses can be argued in favor of being not a contradiction. I have not seen one single proven error or contradiction in the Quran

Renz Pejana : Kit Snow, why don’t you go on answering each of my questions? Even if there is no war, your Koran commands you to kill the disbelievers. Here is the verse;

[9:5] “But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful”.

And also there is force applied on disbelievers, if they don’t accept Islam, they will be killed..

Kit Snow :

When we read from verse 1 of chapter 9, it states that there was a treaty which the Pagan Arabs broke. Thus, Allah in the Quran says, that HE gave them four months. Verse 9:4 states that Allah will punish those who broke the treaty, this verse is only aimed at those who broke the treaty, it did not affect those who abided by the treaty. When we read the passage (9:5), it is evident, it’s talking about a war with the pagan Arabs. This was a historical event that happened in the lifetime of Prophet Muhammad (p). Furthermore, verse 9:13 provides proof that it was the pagans who started this war. The verse states, “Would you not fight a people who broke their oaths and determined to expel the Messenger, and they had begun to attack you first?” This is proof that Prophet Muhammad (p) did not start this war, but it was those treacherous pagan Arabs that started to expel and fight the Messenger. Again, context means everything.

The Quran states you cannot take an innocent life unless its for murder or corruption of the land. Even in the USA up until 1990, if you are charged with murder or treason, which could be “corruption of your land” it is punishable by death. Chapter 5 verse 32: “Because of that, We decreed upon the Children of Israel that whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land – it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one – it is as if he had saved mankind entirely. And our messengers had certainly come to them with clear proofs. Then indeed many of them, [even] after that, throughout the land, were transgressors.”

Renz Pejana : Kit Snow, there is no treaty broken by the pagans, [9:1] clearly states that Allah/Muhammad himself was the one who declared cancellation from his treaty with pagans. He revoked the covenant of every party. Allah/Muhammad gave the pagans four months to accept Islam, or else they will be killed. After these four months Allah or Muhammad has no more obligation of the treaty _ this is the whole story. Islam apologists tried so hard to cover this barbaric commandments of Muhammad/Allah. He was the one who initiated the attack or war. This is the story how or where chapter 9 of Koran originated. Kindly read;

The Book of the Major Classes, (Kitab al-Tabaqat al-Kabir) volume 2, pages 208-9, written by Ibn Sa’d Then (occurred) the Pilgrimage of Abu Bakr al-Siddiq with the people in Dhu al-Hijjah of the ninth year from the hijrah of the Apostle of Allah.

They (narrators) said: The Apostle of Allah appointed Abu Bakr al-Siddiq to be in charge of the hajj. He set out with three hundred persons from al-Madinah. The Apostle of Allah sent with him, twenty sacrificial animals, whom he had adorned with necklaces, and whose humps he had pierced with his own hands. Najiyah Ibn Jundab al-Aslami was in charge (of the sacrificial animals). Abu Bakr carried five sacrificial animals with him. When he reached al-‘Arj, Ali Ibn Abi Talib joined him and he was riding al-Qaswa the she-camel of the Apostle of Allah. Thereupon Abu Bakr said to him: Has the Apostle of Allah given you charge of the pilgrimage? He said: No, But he has sent me to read to the people “Freedom from obligation” and the dissolution agreements of all parties. Then Abu Bakr proceeded and performed Hajj with the people. Ali Ibn Abi Talib read to the people: “Freedom from obligations,” on the day of sacrifice, near al-Jamrah, and revoked the covenant of every party; and he said: After this year no polytheists will make a pilgrimage nor a naked person will circumambulate (the Ka’bah).

To support my argument that Muhammad really meant killing the disbelievers of Islam whether in war or not, I provide another sword verses. Kindly read;

[4:104] And do not weaken in pursuit of the enemy. If you should be suffering – so are they suffering as you are suffering, but you expect from Allah that which they expect not. And Allah is ever Knowing and Wise.

[4:89] “They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks.”

[8:12] “I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them” 

[9:41-42] Go forth, light-armed and heavy-armed, and strive with your wealth and your lives in the way of Allah! That is best for you if ye but knew. Had it been a near adventure and an easy journey they had followed thee, but the distance seemed too far for them. Yet will they swear by Allah (saying): If we had been able we would surely have set out with you. They destroy their souls, and Allah knoweth that they verily are liars. 

Furthermore, the Islamic ‘suicide bombing, beheading, and mutilation of bodies’ in different places are evidences prompted by these Koranic laws. These facts prove that even if Islam is not under attack, they will kill innocent people.

Muhammad even raided caravans and killed people during Kaaba pilgrimage. Kindly read;

The Truth:

After his eviction by the Meccans, Muhammad and his Muslims found refuge many miles away in Medina where they were not being bothered by their former adversaries. Despite this, Muhammad sent his men on seven unsuccessful raids against Meccan caravans before finally finding one – whereupon they murdered the driver and plundered the contents. This particular caravan was especially vulnerable because the attack came during the holy months, when the merchants were least expecting it due to the generally agreed upon rule that the tribes of the area would not attack each other during that time;

[A Muslim raider] who had shaved his head, looked down on them [the Meccan caravan], and when they saw him they felt safe and said, “They are pilgrims, you have nothing to fear from them.” (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 424, Ibn Kathir V.2 p.242) The shaved head caused the Muslims to look like pilgrims rather than raiders, which instilled a false sense of security in the drivers. However, Islam was a different sort of religion from what the Meccans were used to: [The Muslim raiders] encouraged each other, and decided to kill as many as they could of them and take what they had. Waqid shot Amr bin al-Hadrami with an arrow and killed him… (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 425; see also Ibn Kathir V.2 p.243) According to Ibn Kathir, the Muslims living in Mecca did not dispute that their brethren in Medina had killed, captured and stolen from the Quraish, but they were reluctant to accept that this had occurred during the sacred months: The Quraysh said that Muhammad and his Companions violated the sanctity of the Sacred Month and shed blood, confiscated property and took prisoners during it. Those who refuted them among the Muslims who remained in Makkah replied that the Muslims had done that during the month of Sha`ban (which is not a sacred month). (Ibn Kathir) Faced with losing face by admitting his error, Muhammad went into his hut and emerged with a convenient and timely revelation “from Allah” that provided retroactive permission for the raid (and, of course sanctioned the stolen possessions for his own use);

“They ask you concerning the sacred month about fighting in it. Say: Fighting in it is a grave matter, and hindering (men) from Allah’s way and denying Him, and (hindering men from) the Sacred Mosque and turning its people out of it, are still graver with Allah, and persecution is graver than slaughter” (Quran 2:217)

Notice that the Quran does not say that the Meccans were guilty of killing Muslims, only that they were “persecuting” them by preventing them from the ‘sacred mosque’ (the Kaaba). The killing of the Meccan driver by the Muslims was the first deadly encounter between the two adversaries. This is of acute embarrassment to contemporary Muslim apologists, who like to say that Islam is against killing for any reason other than self-defense.

For this reason, there has arisen the modern myth that the Muslims of that time were simply “taking back” what was theirs – rather than exacting revenge and stealing. Contemporary apologists like to say that Muhammad and his followers were basically robbed by the Meccans on their way out of town. (The 1976 movie, “The Message,” perpetuates this misconception as well).

Apologists are somewhat vague as to how property theft justifies killing (particularly on the part of someone they otherwise like to portray as the paragon of virtue); nor do they attempt to explain how the particular victims of subsequent Muslim raids (usually the caravan drivers and laborers) were directly responsible for this supposed theft. A larger problem is that there is no evidence to support the misconception that the Muslims were “taking back what was theirs”; in fact, it is specifically contradicted by the early historical record.

The event of the first attack on Meccan caravans is detailed quite well by Muhammad’s biographer, Ibn Ishaq/Hisham, but nowhere does he mention the contents of the caravan as being Muslim property. In fact Ishaq explicitly describes the goods as belonging to the Meccans: “A caravan of Quraish carrying dry raisins and leather and other merchandise of Quraish passed by…” (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 424)

Note also that the cargo plundered from the caravan included raisins, which would have long since perished had they been from grapes grown and dried by the Muslim before they left Mecca nearly a full year earlier. Moreover, a fifth of the loot was given to Muhammad as war booty, which would not have been the case if it rightfully belonged to another Muslim (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 425).

Most of the Muslims living in Mecca had few assets to begin with, having been drawn largely from the lower rungs of the social ladder, but those who did would have had several years to liquidate their assets or transport them to a new location. As the instigator of the discord, Muhammad was the only Muslim literally forced to flee Mecca in the dead of night, but even his business affairs were sewn up on his behalf by Ali, his son-in-law: Ali stayed in Mecca for three days and nights until he had restored the deposits which the apostle held. (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 335)

So, if the Muslims at Medina weren’t trying to recover stolen goods, why were they plundering Meccan caravans? Muhammad explains the real reason for the looting and the killing;

“If you have killed in the sacred month, they have kept you back from the way of Allah with their unbelief in Him, and from the sacred mosque, and have driven you from it when you were its people. This is a more serious matter with Allah then the killing of those of them whom you have slain. ‘And seduction is worse than killing.’ They used to seduce the Muslim in his religion until they made him return to unbelief after believing, and that is worse with Allah than killing.” (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 426)

Thus, the justification for killing the Meccans and stealing their goods is purely religious. The only thing stolen from the Muslims was their ability to enter the sacred mosque (ie. complete the Haj ritual at the Kaaba). The innocent caravan drivers were fair game for Muhammad’s deadly raids simply because Muslims felt “kept back from the way of Allah” by the “unbelief” of the Meccan leadership. This is all the more apparent by the next major episode in which Muhammad sent his men to plunder caravans, which precipitated the Battle of Badr:

When the Apostle heard about Abu Sufyan coming from Syria, he summoned the Muslims and said, “This is the Quraish caravan containing their property. Go out to attack it, perhaps Allah will give it as a prey.” (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 428) In this case the Meccans were returning to Mecca from a business trip to Syria. Any goods they were carrying would have been purchased from the Syrians.

Over the next nine years, the principal source of income for Muslims was wealth forcibly extracted from others. The targets of misfortune expanded well beyond the Meccans. By the time Muhammad died, his men were finding excuse to raid and steal from many other Arab tribes, Jews and Christians. Like the mafia, a protection racket gradually evolved where other tribes were allowed to live peacefully provided they paid tribute to Muslim rulers.

Kit Snow :

We could go back and forth forever on “history books and hadiths” that may or may not be accurate, the prophet Mohammed had the most books written against him than any other individual in history, so quoting me criteria that advises the prophet murdered and was a thief (which goes against the teachings of the Quran) is hard to take seriously. Let’s stay on topic of the Quran, God’s word and not on history books written and edited by man. I’m open to debate misconceptions in the Quran.

Renz Pejana : That is the last defense of Islam, deny the evidence as much as possible. These facts are supported by not just one author.  Just reflect on Muhammad’s personal life whether he’s moralist or not. He fucked a nine year old girl and grabbed his adopted son’s wife. If you were in the shoes of his adopted son, how would you feel? Muhammad had no sense of delicacy and respect. By this, we can analyze that he’s not a righteous man.

Kit Snow : 

“Evidence”?, “Facts”? Where are the facts about his wife being 9, actually if you do the math she is much older, supposedly. Look up Zakir Naiks talk on her age. And continuing on about facts…if what you stated was a fact, there would he no rational argument, but the actual fact is this topic of the caravans has been argued on both sides forever. It comes down to logic. If Mohammed did have a revelation and followed the revelation he recited. Than what is more likely, the accusation he raped, murdered and was a thief or that he didn’t?

Renz Pejana : These are the facts bout Aisha’s age;

Narrated Aisha: The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became all right, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, “Best wishes and Allah’s Blessing and a good luck.” Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah’s Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of NINE YEARS of age. (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 58, Number 234) 

Narrated Hisham’s father: Khadija died three years before the Prophet departed to Medina. He stayed there for two years or so and then he married ‘Aisha when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consumed that marriage when she was NINE YEARS OLD. (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 58, Number 236)

About the revelations, of course Muhammad invented those in order to justify his acts, or else his followers would leave him. And about Zakir Naik, don’t believe him for he is a proven liar. He even thought that vitamin C was invented.

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Here are another facts that Muhammad fucked Aisha at nine years in case you are not contented with my earlier facts given to you;

Narrated ‘Aisha that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was NINE YEARS old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death). (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64; see also Numbers 65 and 88) 

SAHIH MUSLIM

‘A’isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported that Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him) married her when she was seven years old, and he was taken to his house as a bride when she was NINE, and her dolls were with her; and when he (the Holy Prophet) died she was eighteen years old. (Sahih Muslim, Book 008, Number 3311)

SUNAN ABU DAWUD

Aisha said: The Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) married me when I was seven years old. The narrator Sulaiman said: Or six years. He had intercourse with me when I was NINE YEARS old. (Sunan Abu Dawud, Number 2116)

Narrated Aisha: Ummul Mu’minin: The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) married me when I was seven or six. When we came to Medina, some women came. According to Bishr’s version: Umm Ruman came to me when I was swinging. They took me, made me prepared and decorated me. I was then brought to the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him), and he took up cohabitation with me when I was NINE. She halted me at the door, and I burst into laughter. (Sunan Abu Dawud, Book 41, Number 49)

AND if you are really open for a debate about your Koran without outside source, I just give you only four questions to answer. Prove to the Christians that Koran is the inspired word of God. If you can’t, I hope you can realize how fake is Islam. Here they are;

  1. Islam believes Allah and the God of Abraham in the Bible are one. Qur’an says, none can change the word of God [6:115], How come Islam accused the Bible to be corrupted? It shows that Muslims don’t believe what Allah is declaring that his word cannot be corrupted or changed
  2. Allah claimed that he is God, (the all-wise, all-knower, and knower of the unseen). In verses [4:171 & 5:116] Allah thought that the persons in Trinity are Jesus, Mary, and Spirit of God/Allah (in truth it is God the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit). How come he failed to know the persons of Trinity? It turned out that he is the ignorant God. If Allah does not know a simple topic here on Earth, how much more on matters about spirit and heavens?
  3. [Qur’an 12:39, 3:6, & 58:21] say Allah is almighty, strong, and wise, but Satan was able to sneak his words during Allah’s revelation to Muhammad [53:19-20]. It turns out that he has no control over Satan and Muhammad in uttering Satanic verses. [Deuteronomy 18:20] says, “But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.” So if Muhammad had uttered other gods and Allah was not able to stop him, the verdict is, these two are fake.
  4. In [Qur’an 15:19, 20:53, 43:10] Allah says that the Earth is spread out like carpet or shaped flat, but in actual, the Earth is globular or circle. The all-knower Allah turns out to be unknowing Allah.

Kit Snow :

How old was Mary, mother of Jesus when she married Joseph? 12. How old was the age of marriage in the USA just 100 years ago? Utah was 7, California was 10, all through out the USA it was 7-10 years of age. How old were the brides of Europen kings throughout History? 5-10 years old was common, yet I don’t see you pointing fingers at USA or Europe or antywhere else in the world . Marrying young was obviously common place even just 100 years ago all around the world.

There was no school or education or career a women is saving herself for back in those days, when she is scientifically and biologically fit to become a mother then she married, there was nothing else for a woman to do in those days besides make a family.

I always find anyone against Islam to always be angry in their debates, use disturbing language and name call.

What was the ‘Age of Consent’ in European and American history, prior to the 20th century? In this article, I shall bring forth evidences which demonstrate that the ‘Age of consent’ was indeed, very young, even by today’s standards. I will provide academic sources which show that girls were allowed to be married at the age of 10 years old and sometimes times, as young as 7 years old, legally. It was norm just over 100 years ago to see girls being married off at very young ages. In most cultures, the marriage would have been consummated at the onset of puberty. 1. Professor of history Margaret Wade Labarge “It needs to be remembered that many Medieval widows were not old, Important heiresses were often married between the ages of 5 and 10 and might find themselves widowed while still in their teens.” [1] 2. Professor Richard Wortley and Professor Stephen Smallbone, both of whom state that prior to the 1900s girls married very young, “In Medieval and early modern European societies, the age of marriage remained low, with documented cases of brides as young as seven years, although marriages were typically not consummated until the girl reached puberty (Bullough 2004). Shakespeare’s Juliet was just 13, and there is no hint in the play that this was considered to be exceptional. The situation was similar on the other side of the Atlantic; Bullough reports the case in 1689 of a nine-year-old bride in Virginia. At the start of the nineteenth century in England, it was legal to have sex with a 10 year-old girl.” [2] 3. In the book, ‘Sex and Society’, “Until the late 20th century U.S. age of consent laws specifically names males as perpetrators and females as victims. Following English law, in which the age was set at 12 in 1275 and lowered to 10 in 1576, ages of consent in the American colonies were generally set at 10 or 12. The laws protected female virginity, which at the time was considered a valuable commodity until marriage. The theft of a girl’s chastity was seen as a property crime against her father and future husband. If two people were married and had sex, no matter what their age, no crime was committed because a woman was her husband’s property. In practice, too, the consent laws only protected white females, as many non-white females were enslaved or otherwise discriminated against by the legal system.” [3] 4. Richard A. Posner is chief judge of the U.S court of appeals, Seventh Circuit Chicago. Katherine B. Silbaugh is associate Professor at Boston University School of Law, they say that before the 1900s age of consent was ten years old, “The law governing the age of consent has changed dramatically in the United States during this century. Most states codified a statutory age of consent during the nineteenth century, and the usual age was ten years.” [4] 5. The Scottish Law prior to 1900s by Sir John Comyns and Stewart Kyd, “By the law of Scotland, a woman cannot contrabere sponsalia before her age of seven years. 1 Rol. 343. I. 20. But by common law, persons may marry at any age. Co. Lit. 33. A. And upon such marriage the wife shall be endowed, if the attain the age of nine years, of what whatsoever age her husband be; but not before the age of nine years. Co. L. 33. A.” [5] 6. Professor of Sociology Anthony Joseph Paul Cortese says that a 50 year old man being with a girl under 10 (being intimate) Under United States law was legal until the mid 1960s, “In 1962, the American Law Institute recommended that the legal age of consent to sex- that is, the age below which sex is defined as statutory rape- be dropped in every state to age 10 (Katchadourian and Lund 1972: 439). In fact, until the mid 1960s, the legal age of consent in Delaware was 7 (Kling, 1965: 216). So a 50 year old man could legally have sexual intercourse with a 7 year old boy or girl.” [6] 7. Maureen Dabbagh is a writer and author. Born in Michigan, she serves as a Virginia Supreme Court Family Mediator, she echoes the same statements as previous authors, “…the nineteenth century, the minimum age of consent for sexual intercourse in most American states was 10 years. In Delaware it was only 7 years.” [7]

Renz Pejana : Kit Snow, being a prophet, a messenger of the word of God, Muhammad should have known the marriageable time for woman prescribed by God. He should set himself as a model of a Godly or refined behavior. Yes this activity was practiced before, but it doesn’t mean God instructed or allowed it. I’ll give you verses in the Bible about the marriageable age for woman;

[Ezekiel 16:7-8] ” I made you grow like a plant of the field. You grew and developed and entered puberty. Your breasts had formed and your hair had grown, yet you were stark naked. ‘Later I passed by, and when I looked at you and saw that you were old enough for love, I spread the corner of my garment over you and covered your naked body. I gave you my solemn oath and entered into a covenant with you, declares the Sovereign Lord, and you became mine. 

: The woman’s height has fully grown, her breast and pubic hair have grown and developed, and she is old enough for love (meaning she is morally conscious). Aisha was not fully grown and developed physically and mentally when Muhammad touched her. Why Muhammad failed to know the sexual prescription by God? Because it was not God who sent him. No prophets recorded in the Bible touching a child and raping women.

Contrary to the Bible, Quran permits touching a child girl. Verses [65:1-4] provide the specifications on when to divorce a wife. Verse [65:4] mentions a wife who has not menstruated as yet, or an immature girl. Kindly read;

[65:4]

SAHIH INTERNATIONAL

“And those who no longer expect menstruation among your women – if you doubt, then their period is three months, and [also for] those who have not menstruated. And for those who are pregnant, their term is until they give birth. And whoever fears Allah – He will make for him of his matter ease.

MUHSIN KHAN

And those of your women as have passed the age of monthly courses, for them the ‘Iddah (prescribed period), if you have doubts (about their periods), is three months, and for those who have no courses [(i.e. they are still immature) their ‘Iddah (prescribed period) is three months likewise, except in case of death]. And for those who are pregnant (whether they are divorced or their husbands are dead), their ‘Iddah (prescribed period) is until they deliver (their burdens), and whosoever fears Allah and keeps his duty to Him, He will make his matter easy for him.

AND also Quran permits raping (slave) woman [23:6]. Verses [23: 1-6] narrate the successful believers: those who are humble in their prayers; those who avoid vain talk; those who are active in deeds of charity; and those who abstain from sex except from their wives and SLAVES. Kindly read;

[23:6]

MUHSIN KHAN

“Except from their wives or (the captives and slaves) that their right hands possess, for then, they are free from blame”

: this verse tells that it is not sinful for a Muslim man to fuck his slave. I doubt if these facts for you are righteous. I doubt if you can afford to give your child daughter in marriage or you have a sexual urge for a child. These are proofs that, it is Islam which corrupted or twisted the moral teaching of the Bible. Their allegation that the Bible is corrupted has no basis. Supposing that God really looked at the Bible as being corrupted, He must have given to Muhammad the original, the pure one. In contrast, God would be a liar if His word becomes corrupted, since He said that none can change His word.. The Bible teaches to have one wife only, but Koran teaches polygamy; the Bible teaches to love your enemy, but Koran teaches killing of disbelievers and even its believers if necessary.

About an angry audience or debater, Christians and Muslim alike have tendency to get angry.. From my own point of view, the main cause why Christians get angry at Islam debaters because they are liars, they are inventing lies just to appear they are correct in the eyes of Muslims. So far I have not yet watched a Muslim debater who is not lying. Muslims just didn’t know their leaders’ falsehood since they are ignorant of the Bible and even their own Koran. On my part, I am not angry, I am just telling the truth so that Muslims will know that they are misled by a fake religion.

And about Mary’s age when married, the Bible does not specify her age. And if you say the Quran has said that, I don’t believe it, because Quran does not even know Mary personally, It thought that Mary was Merriam the sister of Aaron and Moses, daughter of Imran.

Kit Snow : 

To answer your questions:

1.) Islam believes Allah and the God of Abraham in the Bible are one. Qur’an says, none can change the word of God [6:115], How come Islam accused the Bible to be corrupted? It shows that Muslims don’t believe what Allah is declaring that his word cannot be corrupted or changed

ANSWER : Sura 6:115 states “And the word of your Lord has been fulfilled in truth and in justice. None can alter His words, and He is the Hearing, the Knowing.” Muslims believe that the message sent to all the prophets, including Moses(Tora) and Yeshua(Injeel / Gospel) was meant for those specific people at that specific time. And it was never preserved. Now, the message of the Quran was meant for all mankind and is the last revelation. It has not been touched and remains preserved in it’s original language for over 1400 years to this day.

Renz Pejana : Brother, where is your evidence that the previous revelation was never preserved? God himself said none can change His revelation. You make God a liar by what you are saying. And where is your proof that Quran is meant for mankind? And how can you say Quran is pure? For after Muhammad’s death, there were many conflicting versions of Koran occurred. Uthman in his effort to solve the trouble, commanded to burn all copies except the version of Hudaifa.

READ: Is The Qur’an Pure?

Kit Snow :

2.) Allah claimed that he is God, (the all-wise, all-knower, and knower of the unseen). In verses [4:171 & 5:116] Allah thought that the persons in Trinity are Jesus, Mary, and Spirit of God/Allah (in truth it is God the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit). How come he failed to know the persons of Trinity? It turned out that he is the ignorant God. If Allah does not know a simple topic here on Earth, how much more on matters about spirit and heavens? 

ANSWER :

Sura 4:171 states “O People of the Scripture, do not commit excess in your religion or say about Allah except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was but a messenger of Allah and His word which He directed to Mary and a soul [created at a command] from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers. And do not say, “Three”; desist – it is better for you. Indeed, Allah is but one God. Exalted is He above having a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And sufficient is Allah as Disposer of affairs.”

Sura 5:116 states And [beware the Day] when Allah will say, “O Jesus, Son of Mary, did you say to the people, ‘Take me and my mother as deities besides Allah ?'” He will say, “Exalted are You! It was not for me to say that to which I have no right. If I had said it, You would have known it. You know what is within myself, and I do not know what is within Yourself. Indeed, it is You who is Knower of the unseen”

Nowhere in there does it claim that Allah thinks Mary is part of the trinity. in Sura 5:116 it mentions Mary because the Roman Catholics pray to statues of Mary as a saint. Brother, your understanding of these verses is off, maybe because you already have your mind made up instead of opening your heart and mind.

Renz Pejana : Brother, you are the one who should wake up, you are covering falsehood in Quran, don’t deny it, it is clear as the sky. Before my explanation, I should first put my own sources from revered translators of Quran because I have noticed you are eluding something. Here they are:

[4:171]

MUHSIN KHAN

O people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians)! Do not exceed the limits in your religion, nor say of Allah aught but the truth. The Messiah ‘Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), was (no more than) a Messenger of Allah and His Word, (“Be!” – and he was) which He bestowed on Maryam (Mary) and a spirit (Ruh) created by Him; so believe in Allah and His Messengers. Say not: “Three (trinity)!” Cease! (it is) better for you. For Allah is (the only) One Ilah (God), Glory be to Him (Far Exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belongs all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth. And Allah is All-Sufficient as a Disposer of affairs.

YUSUF ALI

O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) a messenger of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His messengers. Say not “Trinity” : desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah: Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs.

[5:116]

PICKTHALL

And when Allah saith: O Jesus, son of Mary! Didst thou say unto mankind: Take me and my mother for two gods beside Allah? he saith: Be glorified! It was not mine to utter that to which I had no right. If I used to say it, then Thou knewest it. Thou knowest what is in my mind, and I know not what is in Thy Mind. Lo! Thou, only Thou, art the Knower of Things Hidden?

SAHIH INTERNATIONAL

And [beware the Day] when Allah will say, “O Jesus, Son of Mary, did you say to the people, ‘Take me and my mother as deities besides Allah ?'” He will say, “Exalted are You! It was not for me to say that to which I have no right. If I had said it, You would have known it. You know what is within myself, and I do not know what is within Yourself. Indeed, it is You who is Knower of the unseen. 

: VERSE [4:171] warns the Christians not to worship Trinity or three gods. And verse [5:116] clearly emphasizes the gods of Trinity. Which are, “TAKE ME (JESUS) and MY MOTHER (MARY) as deities besides ALLAH.

Brother, Koran points out JESUS and MARY as deities besides ALLAH.. “Deity and Saint” are not synonymous. Verse [5:73] confirms [5:116] that it really meant Trinity and Allah is taken as the third of the three gods. It says;

[5:73]

PICKTHALL

They surely disbelieve who say: Lo! Allah is the third of three; when there is no Allah save the One Allah. If they desist not from so saying a painful doom will fall on those of them who disbelieve.

YUSUF ALI

They do blaspheme who say: Allah is one of three in a Trinity: for there is no god except One Allah. If they desist not from their word (of blasphemy), verily a grievous penalty will befall the blasphemers among them. 

Kit Snow :

3.) [Qur’an 12:39, 3:6, & 58:21] say Allah is almighty, strong, and wise, but Satan was able to sneak his words during Allah’s revelation to Muhammad [53:19-20]. It turns out that he has no control over Satan and Muhammad in uttering Satanic verses. [Deuteronomy 18:20] says, “But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.” So if Muhammad had uttered other gods and Allah was not able to stop him, the verdict is, these two are fake. 

ANSWER : Sura 53:19 “So have you considered al-Lat and al-‘Uzza?” Sura 53:20 “And Manat, the third – the other one?” Sura 53:21 ” Is the male for you and for Him the female?” Sura 53:22 “That, then, is an unjust division.” Sura 53:23 “They are not but [mere] names you have named them – you and your forefathers – for which Allah has sent down no authority. They follow not except assumption and what [their] souls desire, and there has already come to them from their Lord guidance.”

Let’s look at verse 23 again shall we, where Allah is saying the three fake gods people worshipped before have no authority. Again, you have quoted out of context my friend. There was no satanic verses.

Renz Pejana : Brother, I don’t know if you intend to mislead me, thinking that I had not done research before I made my questions, or you are just not aware about Satanic verses in Quran. In case you don’t know, I quoted statements from wikiislam for you. Here it is;

“The Satanic Verses (also the Gharaniq incident) was an incident where Prophet Muhammad acknowledged Allat, Manat, and al-Uzza, the goddesses of the Pagan Meccans in a Qur’anic revelation, only to later recant and claim they were the words of the Devil. Satanic Verses

Kit Snow :

4.) In [Qur’an 15:19, 20:53, 43:10] Allah says that the Earth is spread out like carpet or shaped flat, but in actual, the Earth is globular or circle. The all-knower Allah turns out to be unknowing Allah. 

ANSWER :

Sura 15:19 “And the earth – We have spread it and cast therein firmly set mountains and caused to grow therein [something] of every well-balanced thing.”

Sura 20:53 “[It is He] who has made for you the earth as a bed [spread out] and inserted therein for you roadways and sent down from the sky, rain and produced thereby categories of various plants.” 

Sura 43:10 “[The one] who has made for you the earth a bed and made for you upon it roads that you might be guided” 

None of these verses suggest the earth is flat. It does indeed say he made the earth for us like a carpet, which it is for a human like a carpet.

Renz Pejana : First, I add another sources to clarify the said verses more. Here they are;

[15:19]

YUSUF ALI

And the earth We have spread out (like a carpet); set thereon mountains firm and immovable; and produced therein all kinds of things in due balance.

PICKTHALL

And the earth have We spread out, and placed therein firm hills, and caused each seemly thing to grow therein. 

[20:53]

YUSUF ALI

“He Who has, made for you the earth like a carpet spread out; has enabled you to go about therein by roads (and channels); and has sent down water from the sky.” With it have We produced diverse pairs of plants each separate from the others. 

SAHIH INTERNATIONAL

[It is He] who has made for you the earth as a bed [spread out] and inserted therein for you roadways and sent down from the sky, rain and produced thereby categories of various plants. 

[43:10]

MUHSIN KHAN

Who has made for you the earth like a bed, and has made for you roads therein, in order that you may find your way 

YUSUF ALI

(Yea, the same that) has made for you the earth (like a carpet) spread out, and has made for you roads (and channels) therein, in order that ye may find guidance (on the way)

: Brother, we don’t need to look for a specific “flat” word, just analyze the verses. We cannot spread out a ball (globe) like a carpet or bed. Quran describes the Earth having a flat surface, plane, or bed.

If I may add, I will give you prophetic verses from the true word of God (the Bible) about the Earth;

[Isaiah 40:22] It is He who sits above the circle of the earth, And its inhabitants are like grasshoppers, Who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, And spreads them out like a tent to dwell in. 

: . . . above the circle of the Earth . . . If we look at the Earth from the moon or outer space, we can see that the Earth is a circle.

[Job 26:7] He stretches out the north over empty space; He hangs the earth on nothing

: . . . He hangs the Earth on nothing . . . If we look at the Earth from the outer space, we can see that the Earth has nothing to sit on or to cling to. The Bible accurately describes the position of the Earth. It is placed in an empty space, and it is as if hanged on nothing.

Author:

The author is just a simple man, He was a carving and carpentry sub-contractor. But lately, he discovered that his true passion is writing. He studied at the University of San Jose-Recoletos, took up Bachelor of Science in Industrial Engineering.

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